Some Part editor questions

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Mark McCallum
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Some Part editor questions

Postby Mark McCallum » Thu, Jul 12 2018, 10:00AM

Hi Guys
Doing a job in the part editor
part editor constraints 3.JPG
Visual constraints disappear when re entering the CM


Question 1
Can anyone else reproduce this?
Take a shelf or an end into the part editor.
draw a circle, make sure it’s not touching the edges
Select and pocket it
save and return to the main
Go to the constraints manager.
constrain the circle horizontally.
Edit the horizontal size so that the circle / pocket goes past the edge of the end or shelf, (As per some types of flap hinges flap hinges.
Save constraints return to the main.
Highlight and return to the constraints manager, the pocket remains positioned but the constraints have disappeared.
If there are other constraints they all will disappear, making it hard to readjust the sizes
Re applying the sizes seems to stick the second time




Question 2
part-editor-constraints-2.jpg
Door goes to part editor but doesn't go to CM

Can anyone else reproduce this or perhaps I'm missing a step ?
Make a door from the side menu.
Take it to the part editor put some pockets on to it.
Turn it green hatch and try and take it to the constraints manager
It isn’t recognized by the constraint manager.
It seems strange that it can go to the part editor but not the constraints manager.

Associating it to a cabinet has the same results.

However, if it is associated to a cabinet, it will take another part into the constraints editor (if there are other edited parts, shelf or end or deck) instead of the selected door even if none are selected.
It would appear to remember the last edited part, because if you remove all part editor cuts to standard cabinet parts via the part editor it will still call The previously edited part into the constraint manager without the cuts which normally it wouldn't do.
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Mark

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Re: Some Part editor questions

Postby Ralph Balanik » Thu, Jul 12 2018, 11:42AM

Hi Mark,
I did produce similar results to yours. I did a cut the same as yours on the left side of a base cabinet. I constained horizontal, vertical, and radius dimensions, then exited. When I returned all dimensions were gone. I went back and entered the constraints again and exited. when I returned 2 out of 3 constraints of the original constraints reappeared as well as the new ones. I had 2 identical horizontal and two identical vertical dimensions and one radius.

I did a similar cut on the right side of the cabinet. This time I only lost the radius after exiting and returning. From past experience, it seems to me that the order in which the constraints are applied may influence the results.

I created a door from the side menu but did not turn it green. It would not come up in constraint manager. Other parts were there as per your experience . I have not had any reason in my past jobs to create a door using the side menu so I cannot see the value in that option, so feel free to enlighten me. :) I chose a door from the door editor on top a was able to do a cutout and take it to constraint manager. I believe any parts that have part editor cuts and contraints applied are saved in the contraint manager menu and it displays the first one in the list if there are multiple parts. Since the door wasn't there from the side menu it didn't get picked :?

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Re: Some Part editor questions

Postby Mark McCallum » Thu, Jul 12 2018, 5:07PM

Hi Ralph
Thanks for testing that out.
The radius overlapping the edge is definitely triggering the disappearing dimensions for us.

From past experience, it seems to me that the order in which the constraints are applied may influence the results.


Yes I agree that the order of placing then moving / constraining also seems to affect something.
I again, am not sure what triggers it.
But intermittently another thing that sort of happens, is that we apply constraints H,V, Rad to the part editor items, all at once in the Constraints Manager, and if there's a circle present, then you cant adjust the radius.
Like you select it,
enter the new rad,
Press enter and nothing happens.
Sometimes if you the do the vertical and horizontal adjustment first then the radius becomes active again.

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Ahh... Ralph, as to "enlightenment" I suggest, ............... you see your local religious practitioner.
All you get from me is confusion and malformed ideas :)

Yes, we started off with a standard door then behind applied and adjusted partitioning, flip ops, adjustable shelves, etcetera.
Had to adjust something and the door size was wrong or disappeared, (cant remember)
Went to reapply door, but of course, we couldn't select the entire opening :?

So we wouldn't have to delete and reapply the items behind the door, to save time, I suggested an applied door, (did you notice those 3 little words), "to save time" :)
And here we are 4 or 5 hours later. :)

The positives are, we have isolated, tracked down and brought out into the light an "unusual occurrence". :) (Unusual occurrence, Sounds a bit englightening )

Maybe the guru's will have a look at it :)

All in a days work using Ecabs :joker: :joker:

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Re: Some Part editor questions

Postby Mark McCallum » Thu, Jul 12 2018, 8:43PM

Hi again Ralph

This is the project we are working on.
It actually for my sons design project for his final year at high school.
(no.... I'm not doing it for him, It's his design, I'm just helping him implement it.)
(No ...... He hates wood dust, he's not following in my shoes, he want to go to uni and study business or something)
(I think he wants to make money......... Not work hard.) :)

See below, we attached two additional doors in the middle, because we couldn't add them through the normal door editor.
We are using a wing hinge in the middle with 35mm cups so we will apply them in the part editor.
We have to change our plans now and I will probably combine 2 units into an assembly and turn off the parts we don't need.
Ecabs is awesome......... but Yes, behind your next idea.........there is always
the work around
:joker: :joker:


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Re: Some Part editor questions

Postby Mark McCallum » Fri, Jul 13 2018, 3:03AM

Last one I think .

Formulas don't appear be working properly either on holes
Eg H/2 - 330 = random result.

That's it, its Friday, Ive had enough. :)

Goin Home :roll:

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Re: Some Part editor questions

Postby Ralph Balanik » Fri, Jul 13 2018, 8:23AM

Do you have any idea how long it took me to come up with the word enlightenment. I must say I enjoyed your take on that, I will get out the dictionary before my next response see what else I can find.

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Re: Some Part editor questions

Postby Ralph Balanik » Fri, Jul 13 2018, 9:16AM

Here's another. I have been "ruminating" on the phrase "to save time". I actually did a search on the forum and you are the only one who used those three words in that order. Please"enlighten" if you care to :)

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Re: Some Part editor questions

Postby Mark McCallum » Mon, Jul 16 2018, 8:35AM

Hi Ralph.
It must of been a slip of the tongue or a mis-typed sentence, because,.... I don't know what it means. :?
I only try to use eCabs to achieve a result....... not to make my life easier. :lol:


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