Poll for the weekend

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Who make face frame cabs, frameless or other

Who make frameless cabs?
7
26%
Who make both?
12
44%
Who make neither?
1
4%
Who make face frame cabs?
7
26%
 
Total votes: 27

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Jean G Voyer
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Postby Jean G Voyer » Fri, Aug 26 2005, 10:05PM

Here is a little poll that could be interesting...
I think!
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Postby Jean G Voyer » Fri, Aug 26 2005, 10:12PM

Sorry, I didn't want to offend anybody. Originally I wanted the 2 questions face frame and frameless to be together.

Have a good weekend.
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Postby Mike Bowers » Fri, Aug 26 2005, 10:44PM

Frameless :D :D
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Postby Geo Noeth » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 6:27AM

This is a debate I have had with a friend in Connecticut. He builds only frameless. I am willing to go either way, but my customers always choose framed. These are residential customers not commercial. I am in the south maybe that is the difference.

Do you frameless guys offer a choice or just say this is the way we make them. I suppose lots of customers wouldn't know the difference if it was not pointed out to them.

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Postby Philip Shantz » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 7:13AM

I built only face frame cabinets until about 1995 or so, since then it's been frameless all the way.

I have to add, though -- I have my own kitchen remodel coming up this winter and we've decided on a Craftsman/Mission style look - CVG Fir, face frames, inset doors & drawers, the whole nine yards. Hope it all comes back to me... :lol:
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Postby Michael Yeargain » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 7:24AM

I'd like to see a residential set of frameless cabinets installed. If you guys have any to post, it may be worth describing and showing to the customers down here. SC.

It may be a trend starter. Who knows.

Mike

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Postby Jean G Voyer » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 8:42AM

I personnally have been building frameless for close to 30 years.
Frameless in Canada seems to have taken off for some reason a lot earlier then in the States.
I was in Quebec at the time and we were getting some european cabinetry that was frameless. The hardware then was very poor quality, the hinges being plastic cups instead of metal.
I have also built face frame on & off until ten years ago.
Unless clients would only request faceframe, it's frameless without saying.
And if they want faceframe, the price goes up substantially: so they say 'Do frameless'.
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Here's a few PICS !!

Postby Wally Schneeberger » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 10:44AM

I had to scan these in and reduce the size so please excuse the quality!!
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A couple more PICS!!

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Postby Forrest Chapman » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 11:40AM

Micheal,

My shop is in Anderson,SC. and we have been doing 100% frameless here for 9 years, 20 total we started in florida. It has given us a huge advantage and our business has thrived on offering something unique to the area. If anyone in your area thinks frameless is not (Highend) I beg to differ. Our average res. cabinet job is in the 40,000.00 range w/o tops. Remember frameless is more about how you construct the box, what effects the final appearence is the amount of layers you add. There are alot of tricks for this. When I get to the shop on monday I'll post some of our projects.

Forrest

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Postby Michael Yeargain » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 2:33PM

Wally Schneeberger,


You do counter tops a lot like us. It also looks like some type of frame around the oven/microwave combo that helps to enclose the appliances.

They are very attractive and I do know the intense labor involved in face frames. I like the overall appearance of the frame-less and am very much liking the possibilities of saving $$$

They are very nice indeed. Hurry weekend so I can see more! :o

Mike
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Postby Forrest Chapman » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 3:19PM

Hey Mike,

Those pictures belong to Wally, however I plan to post some on monday, so you can see just how far you can go with frameless.

Forrest

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Postby Michael Yeargain » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 3:23PM

Wally Schneeberger,

I apologize for giving Forrest credit for the pics you posted. No disrespect intended. As the pics are great so should you get credit.

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Postby Forrest Chapman » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 3:24PM

PS. Mike,

I sent a private message to you maybe 1 month ago and I'm not sure if I did it correctly. Do you remember receiving it? If so will you PM back.

Thanks,
Forrest

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Mike wrote--

Postby Wally Schneeberger » Sat, Aug 27 2005, 6:25PM

You do counter tops a lot like us. It also looks like some type of frame around the oven/microwave combo that helps to enclose the appliances.

They are very attractive and I do know the intense labor involved in face frames. I like the overall appearance of the frame-less and am very much liking the possibilities of saving $$$

The pics were of a few lower cost kitchens - 7 -14 k . The thing about frameless is that you can work to a customers budget if need be. Adding frames around appliances add a lot to the appearance and if the customer wants to pay for it then great. Notice the dishwasher is raised 18\" off the floor for some older people that didn't like to bend over so far.
I think frameless is a lot more versatile and can look as good as any FF.
Cheers Wally!!
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