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Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Lamar Horton » Fri, Feb 13 2009, 10:27PM

I have a kitchen with 21 drawer boxes, I typically build my drawers from 1/2 in ply with butt joints. Does anyone have a way cool jig or technique you use to make the assembly faster?

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Jeremy Schiffer » Fri, Feb 13 2009, 11:15PM

We used to use pocket screws in 3/4" ply. Pockets on the drawer box front and back, and when the drawer is assembled there are no visible fasteners and it's a very strong, no-nonsense easy to build drawer.


With the CNC now we just blind dado 'em. 8)
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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Will Williamson » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 10:37AM

Have you figured out a way to do those blind dado without flip operations? To me that is the biggest waste of time . The last time I setup a shaper and ran the flip op onthe shaper
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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Gary Puckett » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 10:42AM

Have you looked into outsourcing the drawers? When I first started I did everything myself now I get my doors and drawers from the same supplier and what a relief the drawers are dovetailed and prefinished.

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Jeremy Schiffer » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 1:37PM

Will,

As long as the drawers are made from two-sided material (remember it needs to be specified as two-sided within the ecabs material database too) there are no flip operations for blind-dadoed drawer boxes. If that isn't the problem, I'm curious to know how you are getting flip ops on them?
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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Gary Puckett » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 2:23PM

Will and Jeremy,


It sound like you guys have routers, if so why aren't you just dove tailing the drawers?

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Will Williamson » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 2:53PM

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In the 2 years I've owned this machine I have only made 3 or 4 cabinets and a half a dozen drawers . I used the blind dado method because I could run the drawers without any additional setup of tooling . I only have a 4 position tool bar. and I could run the drawers with the same tool settings as the rest of the cabinet parts

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The only drawers I have made were done on a rush job in the middle of the night . I used 1/2 " double sided material with blind dado construction for sides and bottom .

That why I got in this post I need to learn more about the subject . It has been over a year since I made those drawers and I was thinking that I will eventually make some more. I have all the tooling for the dove tail drawers I,m just waiting for someone to pay me to learn how to use them.
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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Gary Puckett » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 3:10PM

Will,

What do you use the router(Thermwood) for if not for cutting out cabinets, and drawers? :?

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Jeremy Schiffer » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 8:55PM

Will, if you're also using 1/2" ply for the bottoms and blind-dadoing them in, then it would cause flip ops. I hadn't thought of that earlier. We use 1/4" bottoms.

Gary, we haven't come across anyone who was willing to pay the extra for the dovetail drawers. They'd rather spend the money on something they can see from the outside of the cabinet, rather than just a purely cosmetic addition to the inside. Even if there were no extra charge for them (many people don't charge extra and just provide them by default,) I haven't yet heard anyone say they actually preferred it. It's always met with complete apathy.

So, our dovetail bit sits unused, never having been run.
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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Gary Puckett » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 11:19PM

Jeremy,

Didn't mean to offend, but the dove tail is not only cosmetic,it is one of the best and most reliable joints there is especially for a drawer.I and many others offer this as a standard item. All I was saying was with the router at your disposal I would think machining the dove tail would be a snap.When I do have to cut dovetails by hand I have to use my Leigh Jig. This happens only if I just have 2-4 drawers anything more and I out source.

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Jeremy Schiffer » Sat, Feb 14 2009, 11:36PM

Certainly no offense taken Gary. I've got nothing against the dovetail joint at all. It's just my personal opinion that they aren't worth the time required, in the modern era of the pocket screw and blind dado. All methods produce a joint that will not fail.

It's hard enough to get folks to pony up money for custom cabinetry (around here anyway) so to reduce the cost we get rid of the most laborious and/or time-consuming things first.

Fortunately (knock on wood) a nearby hospital has kept us pretty busy building laminate cabinetry for most of the past year, so wooden drawer boxes, dovetail or otherwise, haven't even been mentioned. I haven't missed the headache and handholding that goes with the residential stuff.

Anyways, I'm way off topic now. What the hey, it's Saturday night. Let's drink.

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Lamar Horton » Sun, Feb 15 2009, 9:40AM

Gee fellas, all I was asking is anyone had a quick and easy way to assemble the drawer box. :(

BTW dovetails are over rated, while they are a superior joint the strength is not necessary. I find 50 to 75 year old cabinets with just a couple of nails holding the box together and working fine. :)

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Rick Palechuk » Sun, Feb 15 2009, 11:05AM

This is what we do Lamar. Cut, sand, glue and staple through the ends at a slight angle. Then a touch up sand and off to the booth. After that, slide the bottom in, nail it off.
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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby Will Williamson » Sun, Feb 15 2009, 12:43PM

Lamar
What I have done in the past is use a table with a 90 degree fence attached to one end and use that for drawer and cabinet assembly. Most of the time you can just push them into the corner after aplying glue and then either nail or screw.

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Re: Drawer Assembly Techniques

Postby jerry johnson » Mon, Feb 16 2009, 8:32PM

Hey guys, here is my standard drawer box with blind mortise and tennon constructin. It requires no flip ops and assembly is very fast. I use pre finished nine ply maple plywood. The boxes are clean and strong. 8)
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