Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

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Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Brian Shannon » Fri, Mar 20 2009, 4:00PM

How are you guys installing Euro Upper Cabinets? I've done them many times but they are a pain in the @#%& and I'm looking for a better way. On a long run it is sometimes hard to not get them "racked". Does anyone recommend the French Cleat method or some sort of metal hanger?



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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Karin Sasse » Fri, Mar 20 2009, 6:45PM

Hi Brian

I have been using the hafele hangers and Rail for 30 years now and haven't come acroos anything better.
You need to cut your back out at the 2 top corners, screw the 2 hangers in and done. on side cut the rail to your lenght and fix to wall now hang your cabs, join together 2 or more cabs and use the adjusters to make your cabs level and plum. I can't come up with anything easier.

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby David Werkheiser » Sat, Mar 21 2009, 8:21AM

I've used "Camar" hanging rail system for 5 yrs for cabinets and closets. I prefer the "knock in" version over
using screws, which I feel is stronger (after seeing an overloaded cabinet with screws ripping out) I use a Blum hinge machine to drill the 8 or 10mm holes.
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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Joe Dusel » Sun, Mar 22 2009, 1:46PM

I also use the Hafele hanging rails and hardware. In addition I put a 75mm wide stretcher at the bottom (behind the back) and sink a screw into the studs to make sure the cabinets won't bounce off the hanging rail in the event of an earthquake.

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Neville Bastian » Wed, Apr 15 2009, 7:27PM

Joe, The hanging bracket and wall strip I have seen many times in the Hafele catalogue but for the life of me I can't see it now. Would you know the part number by any chance?

Just on a side issue I'm looking at doing some closets seeing things have slowed down dramaticly. Are there any good US online suppliers you forum readers can recommend so I can get some promotional ideas?

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Kerry Fullington » Wed, Apr 15 2009, 7:51PM

Neville,

Aluminum Rail 290.12.000
Steel Rail 290.11.900
and there are several different hangers
They are on pg 2.184 of my old catalog or you can search Cabinet Suspension Fittings

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby JohnLashuay » Thu, Apr 16 2009, 7:57AM

Neville,

Here are a couple of pdf's from the Hafele catalogue on line.

http://www.hafele.com

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Neville Bastian » Thu, Apr 16 2009, 10:48PM

Thanks everyone. Have contacted my Hafele rep for availability and prices.
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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby jerry johnson » Mon, Apr 20 2009, 9:44AM

Hi, Brian. I have always used a wood french cleet with a rabbit and not a bevel for hanging uppers. The rabbit allows the cabinet to come off the wall where needed whereas the beveled cleet does not. As for the metal hanging systems I have never tried them. 8)

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby JohnLashuay » Mon, Apr 20 2009, 10:35AM

We have used both the suspension brackets and the french cleat method and the suspension brackets work best for us because of the ease of adjustment. They have both a vertical and depth adjustment. It works well with those walls that are not square and the other walls that have bumps in them. :wink:

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Brian Shannon » Tue, Apr 21 2009, 10:21PM

Thanks for all the ideas guys. I'm going to install next week. I did not build the cabinets for a hanging system however I did use 5/8" backs and can get to the top and bottom to shim my uppers.

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Re: Installing Frameless Wall Cabinets

Postby Kirt F. Bowman » Sun, Apr 26 2009, 9:08PM

Brian
Here is a method that wasn't dicussed. Put the bases in first then make a spacer that is 18" or whatever space you are doing on your back splash. Then simply put your wall cabs on the spacer and screw to studs. This works in just about any situation you can do a whole kitchen really easy by yourself. I use a 2x6" about 36" long and 2 bottle jacks with another 2x6 on the top of the jacks. Put a level line or laser on the wall jack the spacer to the right height wa la its done.
This also gets you a perfect space between the uppers and lowers.

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