Beaded Face Frames with Inset Doors

gordonjackson · Post by **gordonjackson** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 1:38PM

I am currently using another software and want to make the switch to ecabs. I am willing to make the trip to Dale, for training, but I have the following question: Does ecabinets support beaded face frames with inset doors? The beaded/ inset is about 30% of our custom work. I would not want to dive into a new program if it does not support the type of work that we do.

Peter Walsh · Post by **Peter Walsh** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 5:30PM

HHmmm,
Is this what you're looking for?
Threw it together in a few minutes in eCab.
The stiles of the face frame may be edited to contain any kind of cut you may wish to make on the surface, since eCab allows you to create your part cutting tools as well as providing a selection of pre-provided tools for making custom decorative cuts.

The inset door is made by filling out the specs in the door definitions.

You'll enjoy the training session.
regards

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 5:46PM

I will give you a shorter answer than Peter did--you can basically do anything you can imagine with eCabinets.

The only thing to remember is to learn to use common parts in uncommon ways or in other words, think outside the box.

gordonjackson · Post by **gordonjackson** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 6:39PM

Thanks, 8 was concerned because with beaded frames, the frame parts have to be haunched which affects the legnth of the adjoining piece. My current design program will not do this and my cutlists come out wrong.

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 7:18PM

Let me phrase it another way for you. With eCabinets you are in control of everything and not the other way around.

Before this elicits screams of \"but I can't do this\" or \"I can't do that\" from other folks, refer back to my earlier post about \"learning to use common parts in uncommon ways.\"

Sometimes you have to make a duck look like a swan but you have the control over what the end result is and anyone looking at that result would never know their swan was really a duck

For example in version 4 we did not have stretchers as we do in version 5 so we \"cheated\" by using shelves or partitions with front or back insets to create a \"stretcher.\" To the software it was still a shelf or partition but to anyone looking at the design it was stretcher.

The current version has no method of directly placing partitions in a corner cabinet but that can be overcome by placing another cabinet (minus a few parts) inside your corner cabinet.

Both of these are what I refer to as \"using common parts in uncommon ways.\" Any obstacle can be overcome with imagination and creativity (and a little help from this forum

).

Kerry Fullington · Post by **Kerry Fullington** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 7:24PM

Sorry for the double post
Kerry

Kerry Fullington · Post by **Kerry Fullington** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 7:30PM

Gordon,
You will have some difficulty with the haunch cuts in eCabinets also. All face frames are basically shown as a butt joint. There might be a way around it but I have never really looked into it. There is a mortise and tenon joint feature for face frames that has never been implemented that I think will let you do what you want if they ever get it turned on.
The inset doors of course are no problem at all.
Kerry

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 7:57PM

I overlook the haunched cut. You might be able to do this in the part editor otherwise you can create the face frame using display boards and edit them in the display part editor to get the haunch and bead.

Kerry Fullington · Post by **Kerry Fullington** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 7:59PM

Dan, Gordon,
I just played with it a little and by adding a negative inset to your rails and midstiles etc. you can allow for the haunch cuts on your cutlists so Gordon yes I think eCabinets will do what you want.

Kerry Fullington · Post by **Kerry Fullington** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 8:10PM

You can even show the cuts graphically if you want to go to the trouble.

gordonjackson · Post by **gordonjackson** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 8:12PM

Thanks Guys,
That just answered my question. I guess I will be going to Dale.

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 8:13PM

This is what you are talking about right?

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 8:20PM

Here is that cabinet if you want to take a look at it. I used negative insets like Kerry said to extend the top and bottom rails by one inch on each end.

Then I took each stile into the part editor and cut a 1x1 inch square on each end then cut a 1\" one dimension chamfer on end.

I took each rail into the part editor and cut a 1\" one dimension chamfer on each end and that was it.

Total time--five minutes at most. It took a lot longer to describe it than to do it

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Nov 10 2006, 9:05PM

Okay, I had to play just a little more and put a bead (single) and inset doors on the cabinet for you Gordon.

Rick Palechuk · Post by **Rick Palechuk** » Sat, Nov 11 2006, 12:13AM

Hey Dan, try a inset mitered door with a bead detail on that cab to see what it looks like.