Poll for the weekend

Moderators: Jason Susnjara, Larry Epplin, Clint Buechlein, Scott G Vaal

Who make face frame cabs, frameless or other

Who make frameless cabs?
7
26%
Who make both?
12
44%
Who make neither?
1
4%
Who make face frame cabs?
7
26%
 
Total votes: 27

Jean G Voyer
Guru Member
Posts: 527
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 1:38PM
Company Name: Janot Interiors Ltd
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Contact:

Poll for the weekend

Post by Jean G Voyer »

Here is a little poll that could be interesting...
I think!
:roll:
Jean-Gabriel Voyer
Janot Interiors Ltd
www.customcabinetscalgary.com
Dell Precision PWS490, Intel Xeon CPU,3.00 GB Ram, Window XP Pro, Quadro Fx 3500
Jean G Voyer
Guru Member
Posts: 527
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 1:38PM
Company Name: Janot Interiors Ltd
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Contact:

Post by Jean G Voyer »

Sorry, I didn't want to offend anybody. Originally I wanted the 2 questions face frame and frameless to be together.

Have a good weekend.
Jean-Gabriel Voyer
Janot Interiors Ltd
www.customcabinetscalgary.com
Dell Precision PWS490, Intel Xeon CPU,3.00 GB Ram, Window XP Pro, Quadro Fx 3500
Mike Bowers
Wizard Member
Posts: 1346
Joined: Thu, May 19 2005, 9:45AM
Location: Gulfport, Fl.
Contact:

Post by Mike Bowers »

Frameless :D :D
We love what we do, we do it well.
Geo Noeth
Senior Member
Posts: 168
Joined: Fri, Jul 15 2005, 6:35PM
Location: Charlotte NC

Post by Geo Noeth »

This is a debate I have had with a friend in Connecticut. He builds only frameless. I am willing to go either way, but my customers always choose framed. These are residential customers not commercial. I am in the south maybe that is the difference.

Do you frameless guys offer a choice or just say this is the way we make them. I suppose lots of customers wouldn't know the difference if it was not pointed out to them.
Philip Shantz
eCabinets Beta Tester
Posts: 414
Joined: Tue, May 10 2005, 9:58AM
Location: Bellingham, Washington

Post by Philip Shantz »

I built only face frame cabinets until about 1995 or so, since then it's been frameless all the way.

I have to add, though -- I have my own kitchen remodel coming up this winter and we've decided on a Craftsman/Mission style look - CVG Fir, face frames, inset doors & drawers, the whole nine yards. Hope it all comes back to me... :lol:
Philip
Michael Yeargain
eCabinets Beta Tester
Posts: 1740
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 8:33PM
Company Name: Timeless Cabinetry and Mantles
Location: South East

Post by Michael Yeargain »

I'd like to see a residential set of frameless cabinets installed. If you guys have any to post, it may be worth describing and showing to the customers down here. SC.

It may be a trend starter. Who knows.

Mike
Jean G Voyer
Guru Member
Posts: 527
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 1:38PM
Company Name: Janot Interiors Ltd
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Contact:

Post by Jean G Voyer »

I personnally have been building frameless for close to 30 years.
Frameless in Canada seems to have taken off for some reason a lot earlier then in the States.
I was in Quebec at the time and we were getting some european cabinetry that was frameless. The hardware then was very poor quality, the hinges being plastic cups instead of metal.
I have also built face frame on & off until ten years ago.
Unless clients would only request faceframe, it's frameless without saying.
And if they want faceframe, the price goes up substantially: so they say 'Do frameless'.
Jean-Gabriel Voyer
Janot Interiors Ltd
www.customcabinetscalgary.com
Dell Precision PWS490, Intel Xeon CPU,3.00 GB Ram, Window XP Pro, Quadro Fx 3500
Wally Schneeberger
Guru Member
Posts: 477
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 1:55PM

Here's a few PICS !!

Post by Wally Schneeberger »

I had to scan these in and reduce the size so please excuse the quality!!
Cheers Wally!!
Attachments
kit1.jpg
kit1.jpg (27.28 KiB) Viewed 18585 times
kit2.jpg
kit2.jpg (26.47 KiB) Viewed 18585 times
kit3.jpg
kit3.jpg (26.79 KiB) Viewed 18585 times
Wally Schneeberger
Guru Member
Posts: 477
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 1:55PM

A couple more PICS!!

Post by Wally Schneeberger »

2 more.
Attachments
kit4.jpg
kit4.jpg (25.49 KiB) Viewed 18584 times
kit5.jpg
kit5.jpg (30.05 KiB) Viewed 18584 times
Forrest Chapman
eCabinets Beta Tester
Posts: 1230
Joined: Mon, May 30 2005, 2:26PM
Location: Anderson SC.
Contact:

Poll for the weekend

Post by Forrest Chapman »

Micheal,

My shop is in Anderson,SC. and we have been doing 100% frameless here for 9 years, 20 total we started in florida. It has given us a huge advantage and our business has thrived on offering something unique to the area. If anyone in your area thinks frameless is not (Highend) I beg to differ. Our average res. cabinet job is in the 40,000.00 range w/o tops. Remember frameless is more about how you construct the box, what effects the final appearence is the amount of layers you add. There are alot of tricks for this. When I get to the shop on monday I'll post some of our projects.

Forrest
Michael Yeargain
eCabinets Beta Tester
Posts: 1740
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 8:33PM
Company Name: Timeless Cabinetry and Mantles
Location: South East

Post by Michael Yeargain »

Wally Schneeberger,


You do counter tops a lot like us. It also looks like some type of frame around the oven/microwave combo that helps to enclose the appliances.

They are very attractive and I do know the intense labor involved in face frames. I like the overall appearance of the frame-less and am very much liking the possibilities of saving $$$

They are very nice indeed. Hurry weekend so I can see more! :o

Mike
Last edited by Michael Yeargain on Sat, Aug 27 2005, 3:24PM, edited 1 time in total.
Forrest Chapman
eCabinets Beta Tester
Posts: 1230
Joined: Mon, May 30 2005, 2:26PM
Location: Anderson SC.
Contact:

Poll for the weekend

Post by Forrest Chapman »

Hey Mike,

Those pictures belong to Wally, however I plan to post some on monday, so you can see just how far you can go with frameless.

Forrest
Michael Yeargain
eCabinets Beta Tester
Posts: 1740
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 8:33PM
Company Name: Timeless Cabinetry and Mantles
Location: South East

Post by Michael Yeargain »

Wally Schneeberger,

I apologize for giving Forrest credit for the pics you posted. No disrespect intended. As the pics are great so should you get credit.
Forrest Chapman
eCabinets Beta Tester
Posts: 1230
Joined: Mon, May 30 2005, 2:26PM
Location: Anderson SC.
Contact:

Poll for the weekend

Post by Forrest Chapman »

PS. Mike,

I sent a private message to you maybe 1 month ago and I'm not sure if I did it correctly. Do you remember receiving it? If so will you PM back.

Thanks,
Forrest
Wally Schneeberger
Guru Member
Posts: 477
Joined: Tue, May 17 2005, 1:55PM

Mike wrote--

Post by Wally Schneeberger »

You do counter tops a lot like us. It also looks like some type of frame around the oven/microwave combo that helps to enclose the appliances.

They are very attractive and I do know the intense labor involved in face frames. I like the overall appearance of the frame-less and am very much liking the possibilities of saving $$$

The pics were of a few lower cost kitchens - 7 -14 k . The thing about frameless is that you can work to a customers budget if need be. Adding frames around appliances add a lot to the appearance and if the customer wants to pay for it then great. Notice the dishwasher is raised 18\" off the floor for some older people that didn't like to bend over so far.
I think frameless is a lot more versatile and can look as good as any FF.
Cheers Wally!!
Post Reply