This is a debate I have had with a friend in Connecticut. He builds only frameless. I am willing to go either way, but my customers always choose framed. These are residential customers not commercial. I am in the south maybe that is the difference.
Do you frameless guys offer a choice or just say this is the way we make them. I suppose lots of customers wouldn't know the difference if it was not pointed out to them.
I built only face frame cabinets until about 1995 or so, since then it's been frameless all the way.
I have to add, though -- I have my own kitchen remodel coming up this winter and we've decided on a Craftsman/Mission style look - CVG Fir, face frames, inset doors & drawers, the whole nine yards. Hope it all comes back to me...
Philip
I'd like to see a residential set of frameless cabinets installed. If you guys have any to post, it may be worth describing and showing to the customers down here. SC.
I personnally have been building frameless for close to 30 years.
Frameless in Canada seems to have taken off for some reason a lot earlier then in the States.
I was in Quebec at the time and we were getting some european cabinetry that was frameless. The hardware then was very poor quality, the hinges being plastic cups instead of metal.
I have also built face frame on & off until ten years ago.
Unless clients would only request faceframe, it's frameless without saying.
And if they want faceframe, the price goes up substantially: so they say 'Do frameless'.
Jean-Gabriel Voyer
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My shop is in Anderson,SC. and we have been doing 100% frameless here for 9 years, 20 total we started in florida. It has given us a huge advantage and our business has thrived on offering something unique to the area. If anyone in your area thinks frameless is not (Highend) I beg to differ. Our average res. cabinet job is in the 40,000.00 range w/o tops. Remember frameless is more about how you construct the box, what effects the final appearence is the amount of layers you add. There are alot of tricks for this. When I get to the shop on monday I'll post some of our projects.
You do counter tops a lot like us. It also looks like some type of frame around the oven/microwave combo that helps to enclose the appliances.
They are very attractive and I do know the intense labor involved in face frames. I like the overall appearance of the frame-less and am very much liking the possibilities of saving $$$
They are very nice indeed. Hurry weekend so I can see more!
Mike
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You do counter tops a lot like us. It also looks like some type of frame around the oven/microwave combo that helps to enclose the appliances.
They are very attractive and I do know the intense labor involved in face frames. I like the overall appearance of the frame-less and am very much liking the possibilities of saving $$$
The pics were of a few lower cost kitchens - 7 -14 k . The thing about frameless is that you can work to a customers budget if need be. Adding frames around appliances add a lot to the appearance and if the customer wants to pay for it then great. Notice the dishwasher is raised 18\" off the floor for some older people that didn't like to bend over so far.
I think frameless is a lot more versatile and can look as good as any FF.
Cheers Wally!!