Example of KD holes disappering from cabinet

[Mark McCallum]

T.L.D.R
Does anyone get these results?
Nesting 2 Teck kitchen holes gives the error edge banding has wrong body?
Then by changing the doors on DF1174 cause the KD/RTA's to disappear from the cabinet?.
I have to put tech kitchen 2 in the next reply because the file is too big.
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1] I put together this assembly called, 1 Tech Kitchen
I didn’t notice at this time that the drawers had lost the dados. I don’t have a drawer box without dados or KD holes in my library.
However I don't think drawers cause this problem. Its not at all rare for me to start chasing Kd holes around in assemblies
I nested the first assembly and It nests without errors.
Saved it for next time.


2} The customer wanted a few mods so i adjusted the top cabinets and copy pasted the bench top to make a light pelmet
I then noticed it was missing KD holes on the top cabinets. (Ive tried to recreate how they left the cabinet but at the moment cant do it.)

Thats the assembly called Tech Kitchen holes. I saved it to fix later on.

Also. Now if you do a nest, I now get edge banding has wrong body 2 times, which was not present in the original.

Its the doors on the 1174mm floor cabinet on the bottom right. I don’t know how that changed.
To fix that simply replace the doors.
How eve, when I return to the cabinet assembly editor the unit has now lost its KD holes, so 4 units without KD/ RTA

I individually select the units and replace the holes via the blue side buttons for KD /RTA's
Now it seems stable but you have to constantly be checking things, because just randomly it will be something else that plays up.

Thanks
Mark

[Mark McCallum]

Tech Kitchen 2

[Kerry Fullington]

Mark,

This won't help with your specific problems, but I noticed that you are working from assemblies.
I never work from an assembly. They have always been more trouble than they are worth.
I will never nest an assembly, there will be problems. I suggest you place the individual cabinets in a batch or in a room or on a wall in custom layout and work with them from there. I think many of your problems will go away.

[Jeremy Schiffer]

I second this. Don't use assemblies unless absolutely necessary. They get wonky and unpredictable real fast.

[Mark McCallum]

Kerry and Jeremy thanks for the feed back.

I do all my work in assemblies. I haven't used room layout for 4 or 5 years.

While I used to have a few hiccups, since the door profiling update its been a lot worse and would seem to have become even more unstable in the last half year or so. Possibly something windows has done. (shrug)
I would happily go back a few versions to a more stable release than waste my time chasing ghost problems.
In the past we were quite happy making some seed cabinets and detailing doors in the part editor, It seemed like it was a bit more stable.

Its been so long since I had a good go in the room layout that I have forgotten all the reasons why I decided I preferred assemblies.
I think I had a couple of jobs where I messed up because I hadn't proofed them in assemblies that I decided I wasn't going to bother with room layout.
From memory I like the ability to be able to spin, wireframe, measure points, move around units quickly and easily.
I know room layout has a lot of tools as well, Its just not the same as Assemblies.

These days I don't bother with nice presentations. I just draw a floor plan and a couple of elevations in CAD.

I keep trying to notice what causes issues and I often have this feeling I almost have it, but when I try to reproduce it, I just keep on trying to reproduce it.
I have noticed that once the cabinet has been saved in an assembly if you save the cabinet out of the assembly it has already become problematic.

I've posted many instances of problems but it seems there is never enough information to help the programmers to locate the problems.
I don't do these long winded posts just for fun, I'm honestly flat out busy. But all these glitches cost me so much time I was hoping by posting them they would get fixed and save me a lot of time in the long run.

Its a bit of a bummer, I like assemblies, they work well for our processes and the way we think, its a feature of the software, but I suppose after all these years Ill just have to abandon assemblies.

I'll just have to give room layout another try.


As an aside point to Clint,
I love your work, you have saved my bacon many times.
You are in an unenviable position of being the go between us users, management and the software technicians as well as fulfilling other rolls within the company. Busy man
Just wondering, unless its an obvious gotcha, is it still worth posting instances of errors that can't be reproduced from a seed unit or just save everybody some time and let it slide?
I have more glitched out stuff all the time, but if its just another tiresome glitch or bug that gets in the way and obscures / slows down real time work, is it worth posting?
And then again if we don't post it seems that the belief is there are no problems.

Thanking you
Mark

[Jeremy Schiffer]

Mark, I'm willing to bet that if you tough it out and wean yourself off of building everything as an assembly, your overall headache level will go down dramatically. The only thing we use assemblies for at all is grouping cabinets together to get matching grain on doors & drawer fronts. I definitely understand the ease of being able to snap dimensions anywhere you want in a giant assembly, but that comes at a huge loss in stability. The custom layout can do pretty much the same stuff, just a bit less convenient...but at least you aren't mashing your whole job into one complicated, easily-corrupted mess. Do eet... we believe in you...

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