Angled floor

Jeff Christenson · Post by **Jeff Christenson** » Sat, Sep 29 2007, 11:20AM

Hi everyone, I am tring to draw a room that has a 4\" stepdown comming out of the kitchen. The kitchen floor has three weird angles where it steps down. I am trying to build a pennensula cabinet in the shape of the angles. I can not figure out how to make the floor of the kitchen in the shape I want it. If I draw walls at the angles in the wall editor the floor shows up as a rectangle shape. I am using a display cube for the lower floor which works just fine but the upper floor needs to be in the shape of the weird angles. Any advice would be great. Also does anyone know of a good site to review machinery, I am considering a Grizzly 3HP shaper but would like to here from someone that has one.

Thank You, ecabinets is wonderfull!

Jeff Christenson

Lamar Horton · Post by **Lamar Horton** » Sun, Sep 30 2007, 8:48AM

Jeff, I have a kitchen that has a step down also. Instead of using the display cube for the lower part I used it for the upper and made my walls taller. My walls didn't have any angles , but if they did I could have used the part editor to make them.

I don't know of a site to review machines but I have heard the grizzly shapers are pretty good machines. Personally I think I would be happier with an old used delta or powermatic.

Jeff Christenson · Post by **Jeff Christenson** » Sun, Sep 30 2007, 9:14AM

Thank you, I did kind of discover that using a display cube for the upper floor works good but the taller walls is a great idea. Thanks, that will help alot!

Michael Yeargain · Post by **Michael Yeargain** » Sun, Sep 30 2007, 9:27AM

Jeff Christenson,

Here is a link to the Grizzly web sit, And I have a 20\" planner and love it. I still need to get the spiral cutter head for it as this cutter will cut the finest you have ever seen, I have used one in the past and was totally impressed with it's finish. Very little sanding needed. Plus you rotate the insert cutters 4 times each, not the blades (that need sharpening).

\"By using a \"spiral\" cutter-head, the knife never \"leaves\" the wood like a conventional planer. This provides for the finest cutting available and a much quieter machine unlike any other. The carbide \"inserts\" are not only replaceable, but each one has four cutting edges and can be turned 90° to expose a new cutting edge. It's like getting four blade changes for the price of one. And, if they are ever damaged, you simply rotate or replace those that are damaged. No re-sharpening hassles and no need to replace the entire set like conventional knives.\"

http://www.grizzly.com/products/mach-specs.aspx?key=490

This is the 20\" with spiral cutter.> http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0454Z

Jeff Christenson · Post by **Jeff Christenson** » Sun, Sep 30 2007, 9:46AM

Mike, I have the Grizzly book with all of their stuff. THis will be my first shaper and I really dont know anything about them. I just like the price Grizzly has to offer. I can get the 3hp shaper with a 1hp feeder for around two thousand. I wonder if my router bits will be any use with the shaper.

Thanks for your help, that spiral planer sounds great!

Michael Yeargain · Post by **Michael Yeargain** » Sun, Sep 30 2007, 12:12PM

I'm not really sure about the router bits, But the Grizzly shaper has three knives compared to the belsaw shaper which has 1. I have a belsaw shaper. It's okay but I would prefer 3 knives to 1. You get a better finish of course.

One thing I have done to my belsaw shaper is; I put three blades in line so I can run three different profiles at one time without changing the blades.

Mike Seisser · Post by **Mike Seisser** » Sun, Sep 30 2007, 11:19PM

Jeff Christenson wrote:Mike, I have the Grizzly book with all of their stuff. THis will be my first shaper and I really dont know anything about them. I just like the price Grizzly has to offer. I can get the 3hp shaper with a 1hp feeder for around two thousand. I wonder if my router bits will be any use with the shaper.

Thanks for your help, that spiral planer sounds great!

I have a Grizzly 3hp shaper with a feeder and it's a workhorse. You can get a bit spindle that will accept 1/4" and 1/2" router bits. I've been slowly phasing out my most used router bits and replacing them with actual cutterheads.

One thing I must warn you about, the 3hp shaper only takes 1/2", 3/4" and 1" spindles. It will NOT take a 1 1/4" spindle, which is what you need in order to use the spiral cutterhead!! I've bitched and moaned to Grizzly about this one, asking if/when they would be coming out with a 1" version - to no avail.

Other than that, great machine, great price.

Mike

Jeff Christenson · Post by **Jeff Christenson** » Mon, Oct 01 2007, 8:38PM

Thank you everyone for all of your input. I have completed my drawing with the step and it looks really good. And I am really considering the Grizzly shaper. I have made hundreds of doors with my router table and have always wanted a shaper. My cabinet building business has really taken off thanks to a lot of work and ecabinets. I am a one man shop that builds everything(door and drawer boxes). My dream is to own a Thermwood CNC.

George Davidson · Post by **George Davidson** » Tue, Oct 02 2007, 8:28AM

Jeff Is the router table have 2 routers in it
I made a table with 2 H-3 1/2 Hp for makeing doors it works great. I have 2 shapers they are just 1 1/2 Hp. I would like to get a Grizzly table with 3 heads in it for my doors ( I don't like to change bits)Good to see that you make your own doors. My son's just picked up a shaper for me over the week end 1 year old.They think it is a reliant shaper
( I said it could be a toastmaster the price was right $150.00) it is at the other shop right now I should get it by the weekend.

Jeff Christenson · Post by **Jeff Christenson** » Tue, Oct 02 2007, 8:04PM

George, actually I have three router tables. One for the cope, one for the pattern and one for the panel. This has worked well because about 70% of my doors are flat panel doors and the panels only require a backcutter bit to plow out the back of the panels. It is the raised panels that really need a better setup to make them. I enjoy building doors and really, by myself I only need about ten kitchens a year to keep busy. I also do all of the finishing work myself, so an average kitchen keeps me busy for two or three weeks and I am making good money doing it that way. Eventually I want to figure out how to design valances or other parts of the cabinets with carvings that could be done by someone from ecabinets that has a CNC. As for now I have several extremely happy customers because they know their kitches are hand made all from one person. I hope to have some pictures in the ecabinets magazine at the end of the year. I am very proud of what I do!

Thanks for the reply!

George Davidson · Post by **George Davidson** » Sat, Oct 06 2007, 6:50PM

You think I could trade all of them in and get a CNC Thermwood

Vince Lisanti · Post by **Vince Lisanti** » Tue, Oct 09 2007, 7:11AM

Jeff,

I have been using the Grizzly 3hp shaper that I bought new with a Grizzly 1/4 hp feeder about a year ago. This combo has worked well for me without any issues. The router bit spindle came with mine, so I could still use router bits until I build up my cutter head selections.

If you get the 1/4 hp feeder make sure you buy the slow speed gear kit to slow down your fpm when raising panels.

Hope this helps

Vince

CCS Woodworks inc.

Thermwood / eCabinet Systems

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