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[Kerry Fullington]

Nick,
Download your job and try duplicate right now.
(I changed the toe)
Kerry

[Kerry Fullington]

Nick,

A benefit of using the correct detached toe is the fact you don't have to rotate the cabinet and place it manually.

Kerry

[Nick M Singer]

I know but it is not really the issue, it should work but does not. What do you mean not having to place it manually Kerry? Dan that problem with the "failed to create empty document" has raised its ugly head again right now. I plugged the notebook into the network and was running my anti virus and and now eCabs wont load.

[Kerry Fullington]

Nick,

With all due respect, You may think the software should work with what you are doing but in fact the software is telling you different. It doesnt want you to stack two bases.
eCabinets has provided a detached toe cabinet that will work as my example shows. This has many benefits as you can place the toe in a large room and use Expand to Fill, Duplicate Right/Left etc. with no problems. You can then add your base cabinets and do the same. it works.

Remember what Einstein said about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

Kerry

[Nick M Singer]

With all due respect Kerry, what I am doing is well within the operating parameters of the application. This and other problems like it point to deeper issues. As far as duplicate left or right is concerned I suppose you are going to tell me that I must have a return on the wall for it to work properly. Why sould it not work properly on a single wall?

[Nick M Singer]

Further on playing with the Standard detached toe it is a lot more difficult to create and adjust than the type we require as per my detached toe. I still dont see what you mean by not having to place it manually. It seems to have to be manipulated like any other cabinet.

[Kerry Fullington]

Nick,

I'll quit arguing with you. I would bet that Scott has enough informatin with the job you sent to re-create your problem and fix it if it can be fixed, then you won't have to use the detached toe.

Kerry

[DanEpps]

Here is the issue, Nick...each file contains information pertaining to exactly what type of cabinet it is and that information can not be changed. A base cabinet is always a base cabinet, even though you might place it on the wall like an upper. The detached toe has that information as well, and it allows it to have a detached toe base stacked on top of it. When you stack two or more cabinets of the same type, parameters (such as cabinet-to-cabinet clearance, etc) that may conflict with each other come into play and cause undesirable (or unpredictable) results.

Having said that, I agree with you to some extent. Once a cabinet (of any type) has been placed and associated to a wall, it should remain where it was placed, regardless of whether it is stacked on top of a like cabinet.

You should be able to modify the standard detached toe to meet your specifications and save it as a seed.

On the laptop issue, is this the same behavior as before--that is, it only acts up when connected to the network? Did you have it plugged into wall power this time? Did it only act up after running the anti-virus scan? What A/V software are you running?

[Kerry Fullington]

Nick,

I didn't answer your question earlier.
What I meant by placing your cabinet manually is the fact that you must rotate it into place on the floor. (with the detached toe you don't have to do this)
According to the eCabinets manual you must have a bounding wall ,appliance, or other cabinet for the duplicate left/right and auto fill to work.

Kerry

[Nick M Singer]

Dan I use BitDefender as anti Virus. I have managed to get back into eCabs by logging in as Administrator.
Kerry thanks for that clarification, I will still try to get the standard detached toe to work but I seem to have problems with the stretcher resizing correctly (hight) and it is a lot more cumbersome to add support struts as I have in my detached base. In my version you can quickly add more fixed shelves and space them easier as well. Kerry I know what you are saying about a bounding wall or object but what if your job only entails one wall? I am throwing these things out there and stressing the system so maybe the result will be a better program in the end.

[Kerry Fullington]

Nick,

If you look at the detached toe I sent, all you have to do to add supports is add partitions instead of shelves then equalize them like you would do your shelves.
You are correct, if you change the height you will have to go to the stretcher editor, select the stretcher and then open construction settings and enter the new height and click OK to change the stretcher.
I would simply make several height toe kicks and save them to a library to eliminate this.

As for the bounding wall, that is just a limitation of the software right now. All you need to do is make a small return on the wall to define the ends of the wall. You might even be able to use a snap marker at the ends of the walls. You can send in an added feature request via feedback but unless a lot of others are requesting this improvement it may not go very high on the list.

Have you thought about volunteering as a Beta Tester? Testing Version 6 would be a good place for you to run through your 3 year old list of problems and get them fixed. Beta Testing is not a time to suggest new features but it is the perfect time to get suspected bugs fixed. During testing you have the undivided attention of the programmers. If you find something that is not working in Version 6 you can report it with instructions on how to re-create it and the programmers can tell you if it is a bug or just a limitation of the software. If it is a bug they will fix it and if it is a limitation you can suggest an improvement after Beta Testing is over.
Beta Testing will eat up all your free time for two or three weeks but it lets you get familiar with the new version before it is released.

[Nick M Singer]

Thanks Kerry. I might consider being a Beta tester, may be a bit trickey because I have also just started studying Law. I think I have whinged enough about no new features before old problems are fixed!

[Nick M Singer]

Oh yes by the way it also occured to me that you are a lot more generous than myself Kerry, what you may term a "limitation of the program" I might term a bug! Maybe we are just nastier this end of the world.

[Kerry Fullington]

Nick,

A limitation is something that the software was never intended to do and would need to be added as a feature.
A bug is when you have a feature that the programmers have included in the software but it is not functioning correctly.

Your problem in the Display Part Editor (from your other post) is a limitation.

Kerry