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Drawers vs Partitions

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I was always under the impression that drawers followed the FF more than the partitions.

I had a cabinet that has two large wide drawers (under over) below two 1/2 width drawers with the total width of the large drawer. So I have something to hang the hardware for the two smaller drawers in the center I put a partition in the center. So I put a partition in the center and used an bottom inset so it moved the partition out of the way of the two large drawers. But now when I try to put the large drawer in there it follows the partition, even though it really doesn't exist in that space.

To get around it I had to put a negative offset (-15") in the 'right inset' in the drawer construction parameters to force the drawer to be the correct size.

Is this how it should be? Or by moving the partition up and out of the way should it not interfere with the formation of a whole drawer for the allotted space.

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Leo,
If you install a fixed shelf first below the 'split' drawers, then the partition will be seen as only dividing the upper space above that fixed shelf. It has always been the way that you described, but the fixed shelf will solve your problem. You can make the fixed shelf out of 'do not cut' material with butt-joints if you wish.
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Works out the same way by using the large negative offsets for the drawers and I don't have to worry about the no nest. Thanks for the response. Just nice to know it isn't a bug. But it is annoying that it isn't there and the program thinks it is.
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Yes that's true Leo, it can be very annoying! I guess it's only so smart.....
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Leo,

In your picture it looks like you have a face frame cabinet. The partition shouldn't be needed. Your drawer box would size off the mid-stile and the face frame opening.

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I realize that, but I need something to hang the drawer slide from in the non virtual world. I want this part to be nested so I don't have to account for it in my mind. I tried to eliminate it, but when I did all 4 drawers went with it.
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Can you post that cabinet?
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Sure Rick,
like I said, I was wondering if it was a bug or normal and it seems to be normal. But it would be nice if when the partition is moved out of the way that it should allow a drawer to materialize normally without the use of non standard inset settings.

Thanks for the interest.
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Leo,

You are adding your drawer boxes in the Drawer Box Editor.
Add them in the Door Drawer Front Editor and they will work the way you want them to.

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Then they come up any size they want to and not the sizes I want them to. :wall: Thanks for the suggestion.
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Leo,

If you place the drawer boxes in the Door/Drawer front editor with the drawer fronts you set the box size referenced to the face frame opening. This makes it very easy and you can get your partition that you want. Play with it a little bit.

It has always been my thoughts that drawers with fronts should be placed in the Door/Drawer front Editor and drawer boxes without fronts such as pullout shelves and drawers behind doors should be placed using the drawer box editor.

Sorry I can't help more.

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Leo,

If you are wanting the drawer boxes to stay a certain height, you can try what I have shown several people to do, and that is to set the min inc. for the height for the drawer box to be the actual height that you want it to be. You can set the bottom inset on the Add Door/Drawer Settings con-settings page to be the 13/16", as you have on the cabinet attached here, and then each time you add a drawer front (with a drawer box) set the min inc. for height to 4 1/4" , such as for your top drawer boxes. If you have any further questions on this, please feel free to ask here or give me a call. Hope this helps.
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My drawer sizes need to be on the inch and a quarter. 3 1/4", 4 1/4", 5 1/4". That is how my dovetail jig needs to be set up. Can it be worked this way?
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Leo Graywacz wrote:My drawer sizes need to be on the inch and a quarter. 3 1/4", 4 1/4", 5 1/4". That is how my dovetail jig needs to be set up. Can it be worked this way?
Leo,

I'm afraid you will not be able to set one setting(s) and have it stay at those specific sizes. You will have to set the min inc. height each time you add a drawer front with a drawer box to be what you know it should be. I still believe you will end up with less work doing it this way than in the Dbx Editor plus Door/Drawer Editor. One thing to remember that I forgot to mention earlier: When adding a dbx with a front that is inset, it sizes from the bottom of the drawer front up. So, to get what you wanted for this cab, I had to set the bottom inset to 23/32" rather than 13/16". (13/16" minus 3/32" drawer front gap = 23/32").
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