A few questions about the new intergrated profile modeler

[Scott Marshburn]

I have a client who wants me to help them with setting up and using the new integrated profile modeler could anyone help me out with this. from the way I understand it they would be able to use mutable tools to create profiles for multiple regions for example a 1 piece raised panel door using 3 different tools 1 for the panel raise 1 for the rail and stile profile and 1 to square up the corners. I would like to see if I could get my head around this before I go to the shop and update the control software to the latest version of control nesting. Thanks for any assistance with this.

[Mark McCallum]

Hi Scott.

I think you can do what you you described but I haven't done them that way.
I would like to help but I haven't got around to playing around with assigning a specific tool to a tool path so I will leave that to others.

My 2 cents and its been a while since I was in that section but I have only done doors where it is all modeled.
That is I use a roughing tool to start with and then finish off with a 1/8 mill or straight cutter tool and a 1/8 bull nose. I use a 12%to 15% step over and they come out beautifully.
It can take a day or more machine time for a kitchen with 5 to 8 sheets of modeled doors depending on complexity.
From memory you can set tool groups in the profile modeller and assign them to profile areas but don't quote me on that.
Its slower than what you are describing where you could be using off the shelf bits. However because its a 1/8 tool, the internal corners are only 1.5mm radius which looks square to all but the untrained eye.
I think for Asymmetrical door profiles it may be simpler / quicker to model the doors, than using say 2 cutters to get a shape and finishing the corners off with a 1/8 bit to make them look sharp, (I'm not sure where I would start to try and do that, or if that's possible if you have a bit of programing knowledge.) Those more in the know might have more insights.
I always run at least one or two test doors before I show the customer what we can do and even then I can still have "fun" if we get the job. Profiles with tight and small radius's have given me the most problems, and sometimes changing the step over value can help.

Hope my little bit of feed back helps.
Mark.

[Scott Marshburn]

Thanks, Mark.
The shop that I am working with is running version 6.2. They are using the MDF door tool options section to set a tool for profile 1 and a tool for profile 2 then the default tool group in the profile modeler is set up with a one-eighth-inch end mill. The tool for profile one raises the panel and then uses the tool set up for profile two to do the rail and stile profiles. The profile modeler then takes over and uses the one-eighth end mill to do a profile along the top of the rail and stile bead to give the illusion of square corners. This works fine except when they need to do a multi-panel door or glass door with mutable lights. I thought the new integrated profile modeler would be perfect for this scenario. However, I cannot seem to find any documentation on any of the online manuals that outline how to use it. see the excerpt from the v7 update below.

Fully integrated Profile Modeler. The old Profile Modeler module is at End Of Life. This version of Control Nesting allows unlimited unique profiling region settings that obey material groups. (ADDED)
I assume that when we update to v7.13 the manual at the controller will have the documentation that I need. I was hoping that someone here who has used it would chime in and give me a little insight so that I would have a good idea of how to go about getting things set up for them

[Mark McCallum]

Hi Scott.
You know know more than me, , When I get a chance I will give it a try.

Try this link.
It looks pretty much the same as on my machine V7.13
https://www.thermwood.com/twood_site/pa ... manual.pdf
Maybe it will help.
Mark

[Scott Marshburn]

Thanks, Mark. but that is a link to the profile modeler manual. I may have misread the description of the integrated profile modeler. I was thinking/ hoping that they were giving us a way to generate multiple regions and use off-the-shelf tooling (like I described earlier) to achieve the same results as using the standard profile modeler while letting us nest the doors along with everything else rather than load the doors into the profile modeler and profiling them one by one.

[Scott Marshburn]

I guess that for now, we will have to keep using the setup that we have in place for single-panel doors and continue to use dxf files and/or vetric for multi-panel and multi-light glass doors.

[Mark McCallum]

Hi Scott
This is why I like the forum.
Sorry I'm not much help to you.
Every one has their own methods and talking about their method enlightens others.
You are probably on top of it, but I'm not sure if you are aware that you can design and save doors now?

Anyway I made a quick, rough cut, and dusty video showing how I would do lite doors.
You may be able to designate tools in the profile modeller , I'm not sure.
But if you draw the tool geometry as per the tool makers catalogue it should get modeled virtually the same as the doors done with designated tooling, I think? And its pretty seamless screen to machine.
You have to start in the cabinet editor to access the door designer.
https://youtu.be/zzNH7MyFxs4

Having said that and told you how I would do it, I find the door designer a bit unstable and subject to bugs.

For one example, The door I just designed, If I go back into the door editor and take it back into the part editor I get the following error message

And all the profile edges disappear.

There are other bugs in there as well but reproducing them is the hard part,
but If you don't change anything, you should be okay.

If Clint is interested here is another little video of getting the error message. 59 seconds.
( he should be on holidays and not the monitoring the forum. )


https://youtu.be/iBOGcpjpwOc

I going back on holidays now as well Happy new year.

Mark