Loading old jobs in build 3 question

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Jul 13 2007, 7:39PM

It doesn't matter what you name your seed cabinet directories as long as you don't use any special characters like !@#$%^&*()\\/?><

The more I think about it, this shouldn't have any effect on the job. Anyone can load your job and save it even if they don't have a directory named \"My Cabinets.\" The directory path of individual cabinets is stored in the job file but that is only where the files came from originally.

Are you getting any kind of error when you try saving the job? If so, what is it?

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Fri, Jul 13 2007, 7:46PM

One other thought--how did you move the files from the old computer to the new one? If you put them on a CD (and sometimes on a jumpdrive) they will be set to \"read only.\" If this is the case you will have to change the file permissions to allow it to be written to.

To do this, right-click on the file (in Windows Explorer) and choose \"Permissions.\" At the bottom of the dialog, make sure \"Read Only\" is not checked.

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Fri, Jul 13 2007, 8:07PM

George L Vought wrote:... Should I have named the file My seed cabinets????, or is that a personal preference?

Edit to add: Ooooops! I did not realize that Dan was already responding to this, George.

Sorry, Dan! I was simply trying to help George get back up and running. Is there a way to delete my post, if it does not help him at all???

George,

Please stick with me to the end of this, and don't feel insulted if this is too basic. This was a little confusing to me at first, until I got it!

As Dan already highlighted, the folder to which you save the cabinets must first exist; and, since the cabinets you create (from modifying standard cabinets) cannot be saved to the "Standard Cabinets" directory, you MUST name the directories to which you save the various cabinets.

Please look at the file structure I have to date for both assemblies (more than one cabinet in the same file, file extension *.esa), and cabinets. These folders can be created within eCabinet Systems itself, or you can create the various folders with Windows Explorer (or whatever Vista calls it now...).

Now, whenever you save your modified cabinets, you can save them to any of the directories you created already, or to a new directory. For example, eCabinets will accept a new, or an existing directory name when you save a cabinet - AND these are created within the eCabinet Systems directory.

The same principles apply to saving assemblies. They all should reside within the main assemblies sub-directory of the eCabinet Systems folder.

You can also navigate the file structure within the eCabinet Systems file structure when you are ready to save.

Al

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 7:42AM

Al Navas wrote:Edit to add: Ooooops! I did not realize that Dan was already responding to this, George.

Sorry, Dan! I was simply trying to help George get back up and running. Is there a way to delete my post, if it does not help him at all???

No "turf" to worry about here Al

The way I see it, every response explains same solution in a different manner and usually picks up on something another response might have missed. Plus, the questioner might understand one response better than another, so the more the merrier!

As for worrying about your responses sounding "too basic", I used to have the same worries but learned that many members have questions and simply don't post in the forum for fear of sounding "too inexperienced." These solutions help not only the question poster but those who don't post. The "basic" answers may help someone else that doesn't know all the steps if not the poster.

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 8:12AM

One tidbit in Al's response sparked a thought--does the new computer have Vista or XP?

If it is Vista the problem likely lies in how Vista stores files. Unless \"User Account Control\" (the annoying \"Allow/Deny\" popup) is turned OFF or you use \"Run as Administrator\" when you run the setup program, Vista does not store files in C:\\Program Files. Instead, they are stored in the \"Virtual Store\" of C:\\Users\\<user name>\\Program Files.

eCabinets expects everything to be stored in C:\\Program Files (or D: or whatever drive letter you installed it to) and cannot find the directory to write the files.

Michael Yeargain · Post by **Michael Yeargain** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 5:03PM

Strangely enough yall, I don't have any problem saving my job files in C:\\Jobs, or any other place for that matter. The only problem I have is when I open an old job that I created from an old directory I no longer have on my computer, then modify a cabinet and save the cabinet file. It want's to save in the directory I originaly had. I understand that the directory name is also a part of the file, so this is why it want's to save it there. Other than that I realy don't have any problems saving files, jobs or cabinet files.

This must be an isolated event.

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 5:08PM

That is correct Mike, jobs can be saved anywhere but all other files must be in specific directories. All cabinets must be in directories under the cabinets directory and assemblies must be in directories under assemblies.

It would sure be nice if ALL files could be saved wherever you wish.

George L Vought · Post by **George L Vought** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 6:24PM

Al
So, that's what that folder is for (assemblies).

Never even opened it before. Found out it's best not to poke around in something you don't understand.
Dan said it well. The way I feel the more the merrier. Some like me need all the help they can get

I read a lot of post because you never know what kind of information might get thrown in. As we say on the WWA \"the only dumb question is the one not asked\".
Spent a looooong time getting build 4 downloaded last night, haven't loaded it yet to see if that fixes the problem. Tonight maybe, got company coming over.

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 6:36PM

Michael Yeargain wrote:Strangely enough yall, I don't have any problem saving my job files in C:\\Jobs, or any other place for that matter...

Note: I added the color above, for emphasis...

Michael,

For cabinets and assemblies: When I try to specify a directory such as C:\\Jobs, I get an error stating that I used an invalid character (in this case, the backward slash, \\ ).

HOW do you specify this particular directory when you save to it, as you mentioned in your post? I am using WinXP Pro on a Dell Precision M90, etc. Thanks!

On the other hand: Jobs and job files saved from the Custom Layout DO allow you to specify a particular folder, as regular Windows navigation IS allowed from this area. Is this what you meant? In your post you did mention job files, specifically. If this is the case, YES, you CAN do it from there, but nowhere else.

Al

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 6:44PM

George L Vought wrote:Al
So, that's what that folder is for (assemblies). Never even opened it before. Found out it's best not to poke around in something you don't understand.
Dan said it well. The way I feel the more the merrier. Some like me need all the help they can get I read a lot of post because you never know what kind of information might get thrown in. As we say on the WWA "the only dumb question is the one not asked".
Spent a looooong time getting build 4 downloaded last night, haven't loaded it yet to see if that fixes the problem. Tonight maybe, got company coming over.

George,

I hope that you CAN solve the problem. The more I think about, the more I believe you are having similar problems to the ones I had, trying to figure out WHERE the eCabinet Systems files CAN be saved, or HAVE to be saved, other than the job files, or those with the file extension *.esj and saved from the Room Layout.

Let us know if you continue to have problems. Once you figure out this part, the rest is easy

. Believe me, I fought this for a good two weeks, since it IS a totally different way of doing it. I am sure the programmers have a very good reason to force us to do it this way - and if not, THEN we will send Kerry and the other Wizards upon the eCabinet Systems Team

.

Al

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 6:56PM

George L Vought wrote:Al
So, that's what that folder is for (assemblies)...

George,

One more thing, or two, or three. I am winging this one, just to make sure to CAN get on the right track - look at the file structure I posted earlier, and then print it for reference as you read THIS post:

Simple Rules:

1. ALL cabinets are saved to the cabinets folder inside the eCabinet Systems folders. A cabinet is a SINGLE cabinet, with NOTHING ELSE added.

2. An assembly can consist of cabinets, display boards, display cubes, vendor items, etc., etc. In other words, if you ANYTHING other that a plain old cabinet, THEN it becomes an assembly.

Just remember these two simple rules, and you won't go wrong. THIS is the reason you don't have to specify WHERE to save either cabinets OR Assemblies, other than specifying a directory name (which will be a new directory nave created either within the assemblies sub-directory, or within the cabinets sub-directory of the eCabinet Systems folder.

3. Job files, that is, the ones created in the Sustom Layout, MUST have the file extension *.esj . THESE can be saved anywhere, as discussed in an earlier post.

4. NO QUESTION IS A DUMB QUESTION, UNLESS THE QUESTION IN NOT ASKED!!!! The same rule applies here, and to just about anything in life, regardless of what anyone else might think or say.

How is THAT for getting on my soap box?

Post away, my friend. No problem is too small with eCabinet Systems.

Al

George L Vought · Post by **George L Vought** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 6:58PM

Al
Here's a question for you. How do I get old jobs off of the section under \"File\" (top left of screen when you open the program.) I've deleted the files, actually dowloaded them to CD, but they still show up as being in the files somewhere. Where is that somewhere????
I've only used file backup once, but I flushed that so where are they hiding???

Michael Yeargain · Post by **Michael Yeargain** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 7:10PM

George,

The files under the \"file\" tab are in the history and can be erased with Ad Aware. This is under the \"MRU\" most recently used. Also when you flush a directory you did just that. They are gone. You can try looking in the Thermwood/temp folder for any deleted cabinets and directories for cabinets and such that have been deleated.

Al,

I hope I didn't lead you to believe you can save cabinets in a directory other than the cabinets directory offered in the program. The fact is you can't. Job files on the other hand can be saved any where. Some times on slower computers and computers that have the older USB 1.x cannot be saved on a jump drive. But, as I said I have no problem saving job files anywhere I choose.

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Sat, Jul 14 2007, 8:26PM

Michael Yeargain wrote:...I hope I didn't lead you to believe you can save cabinets in a directory other than the cabinets directory offered in the program. The fact is you can't. Job files on the other hand can be saved any where. Some times on slower computers and computers that have the older USB 1.x cannot be saved on a jump drive. But, as I said I have no problem saving job files anywhere I choose.

Michael,

No problem here. You were quite clear in your post that you were referring to Job Files, or those with the suffix *.esj - I just wanted to highlight this, to make sure others would be able to tell the difference.

As I mentioned, THIS part of eCabinet Systems is probably one of the hardest ones to get used to, after knowing how Windows does it. I found early on that I could save Job Files using normal Windows navigation stuff, but was totally ignorant about HOW to properly save cabinets and assemblies.

After using the program for a while, one gets used to the totally unconventional way of saving cabinets and assemblies in eCabinet Systems, a Windows-based program, though, and it is simply another hurdle jumped.

Al

DanEpps · Post by **DanEpps** » Sun, Jul 15 2007, 8:14AM

Al Navas wrote:...Simple Rules:

1. ALL cabinets are saved to the cabinets folder inside the eCabinet Systems folders. A cabinet is a SINGLE cabinet, with NOTHING ELSE added.

2. An assembly can consist of cabinets, display boards, display cubes, vendor items, etc., etc. In other words, if you ANYTHING other that a plain old cabinet, THEN it becomes an assembly...

Almost correct Al...a cabinet CAN have display boards, vendor items, etc as long as they are associated to the cabinet before saving.

As assembly is either (A) made up of multiple cabinets or (B) items created SOLELY with display boards, panels and/or cubes ("from scratch", no cabinet involved). The most common use for assemblies is when you have separate cabinets for say, a bottom drawer unit with a bookcase or china hutch upper and you want them to behave as a single unit in Custom Layout.

Bear in mind that assemblies are ALWAYS installed at floor level in Custom Layout and do not honor the mounting height settings. This is because an assembly could be (and often is) made up of a base and an upper cabinet, so eCabinets cannot determine which setting (base or upper mounting height) to use.

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