Draw hole slide and draw back drilling

[jason galbraith]

OK first off thanks Thermwood for introducing this feature after all my whining Now how on earth do I get it to work? I've tried adding draw front holes to an existing slide pattern but its not working. I am probably going about it wrong, but I assumed it would be the same sort of setup as a hinge, ie hinge block holes on one side of the axis and hinge cup hole for door on the other side of the axis. Could anybody send me a sample slide pattern for me to get my head around. Thanks again. Well done.

[jason galbraith]

Well this is getting to me, I've tried positive and negative insets and still the holes end up on the out side of the cabinet/draw front. Anybody care to have a look? Thanks

[Forrest Chapman]

Can you post your pattern?

[jason galbraith]

Here is the pattern. I've tried looking at the help manual where its says that all holes should be drilled in a positive direction, doen't seem to work. I've tried every combination of holes, with some positve on the draw front but negative on the side and vice versa, both positive and both negative, but I'm getting the same drilling. I've even tried making a pattern using the sample in the help directory but it's still not working.
Anyway, attached is the pattern. The drilling for the draw front should end up 17mm in from the cabinet insides. As you can see, the pattern ends up drilling 17mm OUTSIDE of the cabinet internals. I've renamed the .ptn extension to .txt to get it to upload. Thanks.

[Forrest Chapman]

You are probably expecting the holes to reference with the inside of the cabinet box and move inward similar to the hole patterns that most slide companies supply. It however works the opposite and references the edge of the drawer box and moves outward. That is how you set up the pattern. As a beta tester it stumped me for an hour until I realized it didn't work the way I expected. Until they get this fixed you will only be able to add holes for the front brackets (no metafiles). I had hoped to be able to add holes for drawer front adjusters and a few other items that require the hole to move inside the left and right side of the drawer box. Those will stay on the back burner until they get it fixed. Forrest

Send the file zip.

[jason galbraith]

OK, I think, but that is definitely not what is shown in the help section of ecabs. If you look at the help section within ecabs and metal sided draws, it uses Metabox as an example, and is set out exactly like Blums book, with clips referencing the inside of the cabinet. Also, how exactly am I going to be able to get the holes in the right spot? ie 17mm in from the saide of the cabinet, it certainly doesn't seem like its referencing the draw box? Or better still could you send me one of your patterns so that I can understand this better. Something doesn't seem right.
Thanks for your time.

[jason galbraith]

Ah Hah! I think I've got it now. When I've designed my draw boxes, I have designed them in the draw box designer to automatically take off (in Harns case 34mm each side internally) so that when i place them in any width cabinet I don't have to put any value in the left and right drawbox inset. This is useful because we use that many types of draw box - (we go by what architects specify) - and having the deductions done automatically is a lot easier, and a lot less prone to mistakes than manually entering a figure every time you put in a draw box. I'm wondering if this is going to lead to further issues down the track.....
Anyway, greatly appreciated Forrest for your time and thanks to Thermwood for at least giving it a look. I'll let you know how I now go

[jason galbraith]

*EDIT - this is still not the way it is described in the help files from what I can see. The way I see it this is referencing the inside of the cabinet just like the Blum catalog. For your info the draw base for a Metabox draw is inset 15.5 mm each side internally. The inset internally for drilling holes in the back of the draw fron is 8.5mm....
See the pictures attached.

[Scott G Vaal]

Gentlemen,

OK, let’s say that the majority of you can convince us to consider changing the left/right positioning location from the drawer box side to the cabinet side… How about the bottom position then? Currently it positions from the bottom of the box as well. Is that OK or do you want that to be positioned from the bottom of the opening and if no bottom cabinet part divider exists from the bottom of the drawer front? Keep in mind that the original slide pattern for the sides have always positioned from the bottom of the box and this behavior cannot change. Forrest, you expressed the want to use this for attachment holes from the drawer front to the Dbx front and for some type of adjusters, will positioned from the bottom of the opening and if no bottom cabinet part divider exists from the bottom of the drawer front work for your wants? Keep in mind that there are multiple systems out there (Metabox, Tandumbox, Metafile, Zargen, Moovit etc.) and each seems to have dimensions that vary some. We of course want this to be flexible and work for all these variations but want it to be simple. Also, keep in mind that the intended scope of this is for integrated drawer systems. Everyone's input would be appreciated.

[jason galbraith]

Well now that you mention it, as for as positioning from the bottom, for me, I would have it associated with the bottom of the draw front. The reason for this is, if I can position the holes form the bottom of the draw front, I can then specify a height, I usually chhose 21mm, and that will mean if I have for example 4 equal height draws, i can put them into any of the draw runners and know that they will work and mix any of the positions around. At the moment, to do this I can get the top three draws to work this way (with a 21mm offset), but have to specify a different height from the bottom opening ( I set it to 4.75mm which when incorporated with the16.25mm base =21mm)to get the bottom one to work.
This is only my method, but thanks for incorporating this, and thanks for listening

[Forrest Chapman]

I think it should continue to reference the bottom of the drawer box since almost everything is related to that. For mine and some others needs it also needs to allow the pattern to bore into the front of the drawer box. For instance I need a 20mm hole 12mm deep in the back of the drawer front and a 5mm hole centered on the 20mm hole that goes thru the drawer box front. This feature will allow us to automatically add a perfectly aligned mounting method.

It would also allow us to add locks to the side of of the drawer front and slot the inside of the cabinet box.

I have a few cabinets for a customer that are always the same plywood material and this setup (with part edits) has worked really well for years but cannot for anything that I have to change the fronts on.

Forrest