cannot add center stile to this cab...

jim graham · Post by **jim graham** » Thu, Aug 09 2007, 3:56PM

any ideas why? also, the top faceframe opening doesnt recognize all the rails in the ff editor.

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Thu, Aug 09 2007, 9:05PM

jim graham wrote:any ideas why? ...

No idea...

jim graham wrote:...also, the top faceframe opening doesnt recognize all the rails in the ff editor.

Jim,

In the Face Frame Editor I deleted the second rail from the top, and NOW the two (small) top openings work as expected.

I am not sure, but I believe that corner cabinets forbid the creation of partitions, and center stiles. I hope others will let me know if I am wrong...

I used a display board to add a stile in the top opening - see the image below.

Al

Rick Palechuk · Post by **Rick Palechuk** » Thu, Aug 09 2007, 10:01PM

Hey guys, try making the center stile from a material the same thickness as the depth of the partition you want.

Rick Palechuk · Post by **Rick Palechuk** » Fri, Aug 10 2007, 1:02AM

Well that doesn't work. You can't adjust the thickness separately. Display part?

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Sun, Aug 12 2007, 8:16PM

Rick Palechuk wrote:Well that doesn't work. You can't adjust the thickness separately. Display part?

At 1:02AM - too late/early for me, Rick!!!

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From an earlier post by yours truly:

Al Navas wrote:... I used a display board to add a stile in the top opening - see the image below...

Al

Rick Palechuk · Post by **Rick Palechuk** » Sun, Aug 12 2007, 11:47PM

But what about the partition Al?

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Mon, Aug 13 2007, 7:07AM

Rick,

Jim's main concern was about adding the center stile. After my post using the display board, I was waiting to see what his feedback was.

Al

Kerry Fullington · Post by **Kerry Fullington** » Mon, Aug 13 2007, 7:21AM

Jim,
The best way to handle this type of cabinet is to turn your corner cabinet into a framless cabinet and then build a regular cabinet and delete all but the face frame and use that face frame on your corner cabinet. You will then be able to add shelves to the corner cabinet and partitions and mid stiles to the face frame to create an assembly that does what you want.

Kerry

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Mon, Aug 13 2007, 1:48PM

Kerry Fullington wrote:Jim,
The best way to handle this type of cabinet is to turn your corner cabinet into a framless cabinet and then build a regular cabinet and delete all but the face frame and use that face frame on your corner cabinet. You will then be able to add shelves to the corner cabinet and partitions and mid stiles to the face frame to create an assembly that does what you want.

Kerry

Kerry,

I am a VERY dense today, so I must ask: Is this a three-step process? i.e.,

1. First, make the corner cabinet a frameless cabinet

2. THEN build a separate/regular base/upper cabinet (NOT a corner cabinet), and delete all but the face frame

3. THEN use this face frame on the frameless corner cabinet built in step 1, to make an assembly?

Thanks! And I am sorry if I did not understand your explanation above but had to break it down into something my slow brain can absorb...

Al

mikesand · Post by **mikesand** » Mon, Aug 13 2007, 2:38PM

Thats what Kerry means. Aditionally you can pull off other operations that arent possible on corner cabs, like adding partitions.

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Mon, Aug 13 2007, 3:42PM

Thanks for the reassurance, Mike. Maybe I did not get enough sleep last night, but not up to 100% yet for this week. Might be getting old...

Al

Rick Palechuk · Post by **Rick Palechuk** » Mon, Aug 13 2007, 8:30PM

Very good Kerry! Just like the breadbox in the V3 tutorial.

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Wed, Aug 15 2007, 7:22AM

Kerry,

I wonder if this is getting close to your suggestions? The dimensions I used prevented me from using fixed shelves.

I appreciate any and all input. Thanks!

Al

Kerry Fullington · Post by **Kerry Fullington** » Wed, Aug 15 2007, 7:34AM

Al,
I didn't download your cabinet but it looks like you have it. There are still problems with this method because you can't have any joinery between the two cabinets except a butt joint. If you use fixed shelves in the corner cabinet and place partitions in the frame cabinet they can only butt unless you use the part editor to create other joinery.
Kerry

Al Navas · Post by **Al Navas** » Wed, Aug 15 2007, 7:49AM

Thanks, Kerry.

I think I finally have the method down, somewhat. In real life, machining it (Edit to add: machining by hand, not on a CNC router) could get tricky, especially with partitions - the shelf dimensions must be calculated very carefully for each side, to avoid unsightly gaps.

One of the problems I did run into: I was unable to used fixed shelves (would result in \"unstable\"...), but adjustable was OK. I will continue to play with the settings to see how to make this work.

Question: At what point in eCabinet Systems does a design become \"unstable\"?

Thanks again!

Al

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